Do Christians Have "Good Old Days"?

I think the longer you live, the more you realize the cliche. Time flies is absolutely true, and I think to a world that believes this is all there is and there is no hope beyond this life, that's got to be a very terrifying prospect. And yet, even as a follower of Jesus, I think we feel the pressure of wanting to make the most of our lives. In this episode, David and I talk about the idea of the quote, good old days, and we reference a clip from two of the more prominent actors in the hit TV show The Office, Ed Helms and Rainn Wilson, aka Andy Bernard and Dwight Schrute, where they talk about this idea, how you never really realize that you're in the good old days until you've left them, and they talk about how this line haunts them. And frankly, it's easy to see why. In this episode, we talked about how do we manage lamenting the loss of what was with being present in the moment and hopeful about the future. It's about how to navigate all the seasons, to allow ourselves to be fully human without being immobilized by the emotions of the past, or about worries of the future. And I think you're just going to find this intensely relatable and practical and just all around very helpful episode. So I'm excited for you to hear this whole thing. And again, this podcast is part of Steiger, which is the mission that my parents started back in the eighties in Amsterdam. And it's relevant because everything we say in all of the conversations that we have are embedded in this larger context of people all over the world, around two hundred and sixty five cities who are passionate about reaching and discipling those who would not walk into a church. We recognize that in order to accomplish this vision of seeing a new Jesus movement emerge in our world, it's going to take all of us, and we're going to need to learn how to be faithful for Jesus in every way. And so hopefully this conversation has helped you do that, because this is not about a few radical people doing radical things. This is about every day followers of Jesus taking his word seriously, applying it in their real world, and watching God move. So hopefully you've enjoyed this podcast and I recommend you check out the mission of Steiger itself. s t e I e or not the Tractor Company or the Worldwide Missions organization. Check out the website. Learn how you can get involved. All right, that's it. Let's get on to the episode where we talk about the good old days, how to navigate the past, how to be excited about the present, and how to be hopeful about the future. You're listening to the Provoke and Inspire podcast. What's up? Welcome to the Provoke and Inspire podcast. Learning how to follow Jesus in a post-Christian world. I was going to say it's a somber day, but there's nothing somber about it. It's just just you and I, we just. We're kind of lonely. That's all right, David. Where are they? By the way? Where is Chad? Why is he not here? Where he's looking at here? Well, Luke is in the UK doing some speaking and other various shenanigans, and Chad is in the room just literally through the wall from you. If you could punch a hole through the wall directly behind you, you may strike him upon the sternum. Huh. Interesting. Well. Hmm. My name is Ben. I'm the host of the show. I am David's younger and more talented son. David is my father, and we co-host this podcast along with Chad and Luke, who we've already mentioned are not here for deeply, deeply personal reasons. One of the things that also is worth introducing is David's random story. Now, this podcast has always had a complicated relationship with David's random story. It's been a ubiquitous feature and I don't even know how it started. Do you know how it officially became a part of what we do? Well, people were bored with you guys, thought it was so domestic, and they wanted something a little more interesting to keep people wanting to come back for more. And they said, could you just bring some of your genius to the podcast? And so, yeah, well, and as an added bonus, it always gives me time to kind of collect my thoughts, grab a snack and prepare for the seriousness that is to come. So David's random story is a foray into the life and mind of David. It's random, as the name would suggest, but it often carries with it a hint, dare I say, a nugget of truth and wisdom, that one can glean just a little bit of truth to incorporate into your life. And one would say, if it will not at the very least bring a smile to your face. It might even just improve things for you just a little bit. Right, David? That's not for me to say. They have to say how it helps them, you know. That would be smart for me to tell them how it helps them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's overly prescriptive. Yeah, exactly. All right, we're losing momentum. Let's get onto David's random story. David's random story. Well, what are the things that I've had to do a lot over my life is stay in other people's houses while I was on tour with No Longer music. And so I was just thinking about that. I was being nostalgic because today we're going to talk about the good old days. Yeah. And so I was thinking about the good old days of being on tour in Germany. So we go to this German house. Spooky. And the guy, his name was Reinhold. I think if it wasn't, it should have been. So Reinhold lets us in. Then all of a sudden his wife comes and she's mad because Reinhold never told her that we were going to stay there. And so she was like, all angry. It was really weird. So what are we supposed to do? So we're trying to act natural. In the meantime, they're like having this fight. What is looking natural look like, I don't know, look at your feet. So they're having this argument and they were speaking in German. Looking at your feet is not natural, but because I. Because I speak Dutch, I could understand a lot of what they're saying. And she was saying, I don't know who are these people or whatever. And finally she said, okay, you could stay here. But she didn't give us any blankets or pillows or anything. It's just like you could sleep there. And so then she leaves. And so then Jody and I just kind of slept on this couch with no blankets. Just kind of used our clothes as kind of a blanket. And so sometimes the good old days aren't as good as you think. If you ever get invited to stay at someone's house, make sure that the wife understands that you're coming. It'll go a lot better for you. All right, let's move on. Was that it? Do you got anything else to say? Are you? I think that's enough. David's random story. All right, well, that is good. Well, in many ways, all of this kind of sets up what we're going to be talking about, because there is a phrase that repeatedly in my childhood I would hear you dismiss. Maybe it's the wrong verb. I don't know what the right verb is, but essentially you'd be like, there are no good old days with Jesus like that. That doesn't or shouldn't be a thing. That's part of you and you. You think about, you know, this great TV show that we both love Friday Night Lights, right? And you think about these guys who sit around in the local bar, and they just reminisce about the time when they were high school football stars and how that was the highlight of their lives. And to me, when I would think of the good old days, that's kind of what I would think of, right? Like these guys that are holding on to the past and unwilling to seize the day in the present. And and while I still fundamentally agree. I do think there's more complexity to it. I think there's more. There's a more human way to view this, in the sense of looking at life and progressing through the seasons and being able to, in a healthy way, lament the things that maybe have gone and aren't going to come back, while at the same time knowing as a follower of Jesus, how to live in the present and be hopeful for the future. And so I really think this conversation, while it might seem strange on the surface, I think is really, really important because we're all contending with living in this world, life flying by and wanting and needing to know how to make sense of it all. You know how to make sense of the season that we're in. Um, to not be living in any sort of regret and wanting to make the most of our lives. And, you know, I really do think that it does start with this idea that life is so incredibly short and that it's moving so incredibly fast. And an analogy I've been using in some speaking of mine lately is it's like when you're sitting in a plane, right? And when you're in a plane contained within this weird little tube. Everything just seems pretty chill, right? You're watching some dumb movie and you're eating this weird little snack. But if you could just for a second be hanging from the outside of the plane and experiencing what it would be like to be flying through the air at, what, six hundred miles an hour or whatever a plane does, it would be hectic, right? It'd be like, whoa! And the truth is, reality is like being on the outside of the plane. And perception, um, can sometimes be like being on the inside of the plane, right where time doesn't feel like it's moving that fast, where you kind of feel like you have all the time in the world, but in reality, things are absolutely flying by. And how does a follower of Jesus make sense of that? How does a follower of Jesus not be terrified by that? How do we remain hopeful in the midst of that? That's really what I want to talk about. And I think what could be cool is if I could just play the video that sparked this conversation. It's a video of Rainn Wilson and Ed Helms, and there are two very famous characters in the show, The Office, and they talk about this very idea of the good old days. So I'm going to play this. We're going to check that out. And then I'd love to hear your thoughts. David. We can kind of break this down for those watching. So your incredible line from season nine, I think about that line all the time. Yeah. It's like one of the wisest, truest yeah lines in the history of television. It's all Greg Daniels and I just was a vessel. I wish there was some way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them. I knew it up here. I knew it cerebrally. But I really wish I had just spent more time just being like, this is it. It just doesn't get better than this. But what would that have looked like? Like what would you have done or felt differently? More gratitude. They bring up this idea of the good old days, of looking back on a moment with great fondness. And then, of course, his response to that is gratitude. So anyway, I've set this up long enough. What are your thoughts on this as it relates to the way you view your past, the things that you've been able to do and how you believe as a follower of Jesus, we are to interpret those emotions in a way that is productive for the present and the future. I mean, I think one of the things that we do is that we remember the past as being more positive than it really was. I mean, I even have that in a short term way. I have this thought like, you know, I don't look so bad, really I don't. And then and then I'll look at myself in a mirror and then it's like disappointing, you know, it's like, oh man. Right. Really disappointing. Wait a minute. I didn't say really. I said disappointing, super. Like just utterly demoralizing. I just said disappointing. Like just heart wrenching. Just be quiet. So then I'm looking at myself in the mirror and go, man, I thought I looked better than that. Your memory of how you are is always better than how you are. And then after I don't look at myself in the mirror for a while, then I start feeling better about how I look. Yeah, yeah. That's good. I don't know if the good old days is even real, actually. Yeah, there's certainly that component to it, I guess The way my brain pivoted around this conversation is that while I agree, and I think we should go on to talk about why a follower of Jesus is not to live in such a way where they they just sort of resigned to the fact that the best was behind them. Right. And I think there is a certain sad part of the population that genuinely does live that way. I've had people say that to me, you know. Right. If only I would have done this when I was in university, you know, then things would. Right. Well, that's what I mean. And to be honest, I can't really relate to that. You know, I certainly love the idea of nostalgia. In fact, that's kind of how I started here with my notes, is that I actually really enjoy nostalgia. I enjoy that emotion. I enjoy even the the gratitude and the joy mixed a little bit with the sadness like music that evokes nostalgia in me is some of my favorite music, the kind of music that'll make you just kind of drift and kind of almost melon. It's almost weird. It's like melancholic memory, but with joy mixed in. I don't know how to describe exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm often trying to write music like that. Like I often like the things that give you that sense, and it doesn't always even have to be sad. Like, I think sometimes even like some of the classic pop punk like blink one eighty two can have that nostalgic thing because it obviously I think it tethers to a specific moment in time for me in a certain kinds of memories that go with it. And I think just a good place to start. Before we move on to how a follower of Jesus is supposed to live today, and the hope that we have for today and beyond, is that I think it's okay to just be human and not feel like you can't feel a sense of sadness and loss about what has been. I think one of the things I've been hearing you talk a lot about in recent years is just the emotions of Jesus, how we can have this perception of Jesus, that he's the stoic, that he calls us to this kind of robotic, propositional life of just morality and truth and just doing things a certain way. But the fact of the matter is, Jesus expressed the full range of human emotions anger and sadness. You know, there's the famous two word verse in John eleven thirty five where it says, Jesus wept. And, you know, that has always struck me because Jesus had a perfect view. He had a total perfect picture of eternity, of reality. He had this perfect connection with his father. And yet when his his friend died, it says he wept. Not just cried, not just was sad, he wept. And so on some levels. Don't you think that it's okay to just be a human being and to go, yeah, I mean, my my kids aren't ever going to be little again. I'm never gonna be able to just have that certain level of freedom or, you know, all those different kinds of things. There are things to look back on. There are certain people like when we were, uh, this gets a little myopic, but when we're with our friend Justin Ballantyne from Australia, he was our bass player for many years, and we got to spend about a day with him. I did, and, you know, we spent hours just talking about all of the amazing things that we got to do together around the world. And, you know, who knows what the future holds. But those days aren't coming back, right? And on some levels, don't you think it's okay to just be human and just be okay with that little bit of sense of loss? In looking back on some of those fond moments of your life, I think it's okay to remember with gratitude things you've been able to experience or even, you know, I used to think when I was young that I could always do this. I'd like, always be able to do this thing. And then that window closes, whether it's like a geopolitical thing, like a country that we always could go to, and then suddenly there's a war and it's almost impossible to go there or. But I never had that idea. I thought, well, those times will always be there and you can feel kind of nostalgic about that, but I just don't think it's good to stay in that place. No, there was a guy that was a bass player and he was like, for the twenty years, he just remembered when he got to play this big show somewhere in France, like this one big show that he got to play. And it was like, yeah, he just was living in that kind of, I don't know what. I got to play that one big show in France twenty years. The fog of yesteryear is what that's called. I think that kind of thing is not helpful, and I don't think that's how it is when you know God. I think that there's an intensity to life that we're supposed to continue to have until we take our last breath, and then after that, it keeps going. And I can always have regrets. Oh, if I only would have done that better. You know, often I'll think, I wish I would have known what I do now when I was leading people back then. Right. I'm thinking, man, oh, I wish I could if I could have done things so much better. I feel so sorry for people that had to to suffer under my leadership, but I can't even comprehend the future that's out there. So if I have that kind of understanding, I can look at the past, I think, in the right way. Yeah. The reason why I'm emphasizing this is because this might sound like a weird way to phrase this, but grieving is okay if it's a transition to something. Yeah, exactly right. If you stay in that place forever, that's a problem. But I think the opposite of grieving can sometimes be just ignoring or not accepting. And so for me, the reason why I think it's important to emphasize this is because I would say I'm the kind of person, both by nature and nurture, that would tend to think, I can't feel those thoughts or that doesn't that that somehow means I'm not taking the present seriously, or I'm not really having hope for the future. And I think I have come to realize more recently that it's okay to be like, man, that's that's a season that was that's awesome. But now is gone. And that's kind of sad. You know, I remember laying on my bed on my top bunk bed when I was at university. And I remember at the end of it, kind of laying there with this existential dread of like, what do I do? Like, where am I going to go next? And I remember having a phone call with you and, you know, I was kind of lamenting having to leave and what's next. And, and, you know, you were kind of like, yeah, Ben, it's it's sad that it's over, but it's just a building. It's just bricks. If you were still there in five years, something would be wrong. Like, you don't want to still be there. You want to go on to what's next. You want to take on the next challenge. So I guess for me, it's okay to feel those emotions. You don't have to pretend they don't exist or ignore them. You can, you know, be like, oh man, my my kids are never going to be little kids anymore, you know, now they're at this stage. But then I think what you need to do, at least the way I look at it, is be grateful for what you had, but then recognize that you are in a moment right now that you will look back on as a moment that is gone, and that should drive you to be ruthlessly present, I guess, is my point. Do you know what I mean? Like where we should be like, okay. Ah, it's it's sad that that's gone and never going to have that back. I'm grateful that I had it. But what that should produce as a healthy response is a determination to make this day be as full of a day as it can be, so that when you're looking back on this day, ten years from now, you're like, man, it's sad that it's gone. But man, I tried with the best of my ability and the power of the Holy Spirit to make the most of that season as well. Exactly. And to remember what it says in Second Corinthians five seventeen, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come, the old is gone, the new is here. We're always being renewed. And I think what's important when if we're talking about looking at the past, it's really important to keep a journal. I would encourage everyone listening to this. You should keep a journal and write things down. Just little bullet points or something, just to remind you of of things, you know. And it'll really be valuable in the future. Just the other day, I found Jody found a journal that I had been writing when we were on tour somewhere, and, uh, I think Albania or something, and I remember I was just reading the different things in there, and it really was encouraging to me, you know, and helped build my faith now. But I think I think and also when when you write a journal, you can you can see, okay, there's something I need to do different now. So the so the good old days that I'm in now are the good old days, you know what I mean? And then at the same time, it will help build my faith. Because the reason that David could face Goliath is he remembered how God helped him with the sheep. And so you can look at man, I was going through that struggle or that doubt, and this is how God came through for me, and it builds my faith for anything that I'm facing now. And so I think one of the things in terms of the good old days is looking in the past is keep a journal. If you haven't done that, start doing it now and it'll help you to remember God's faithfulness. Yeah, and I think what keeping a journal can do, especially if you're honest, which what's the point of keeping a journal if you're not going to be honest? You know, that's why yours has that little lock on it with the key, you know, so that nobody gets in there. It's a little locket that I wear around my neck. It's a little heart thing with. And then I open it up. It has a mirror. Yeah, it has a mirror, and I when I look at it, there's a little micro dot on it. And when I look at it, it says you are special. Mhm. I have Leon swallow my key. Ah yeah. We gotta time that right. It's it is tough. Yeah. Um so yeah hopefully I don't have to to uh. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough. An honest journal would hopefully reveal not only things about the past for which to be grateful, but it would also sort of expose the myth that everything was perfect, too. Exactly. Right. Right. Because it kind of reveals, like, man, I was still human. I still had doubts. I still had issues. These things were still not as good as that. The sort of the rose colored glasses of of the years that make you look back on it in a very different light. And so, again, to me, I just think that there's a healthy process in, in being okay with those emotions, but then letting them fuel you to be grateful. Um, but then to be ruthlessly present. And as I said, I think Scripture is really the author and origin of the idea of being present. This has kind of been hijacked by our modern New Age ideas, but it's of course, nothing that isn't found in Scripture. Right? It's that's where it started. You look at Matthew six thirty four, you know, which is very famous. Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. I think of Isaiah forty three eighteen. Forget the former. Things do not dwell on the past. Philippians three thirteen. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do forgetting what is behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead. And then there's this great quote from C.S. Lewis from The Screwtape Letters that I've been reading again, and he writes. Nearly all vices are rooted in the future. Gratitude looks to the past and love to the present. Fear, avarice, lust and ambition. Look ahead. And so again, there are all these injunctions to not become depressed by the loss of the past, but not also become overcome by the anxieties of the future. But to say, okay, I know life is short. All that I have lost in terms of seasons is evidence of that. Now let me be ruthlessly present and seize, hold. Take hold of everything that God would have for me right now. Exactly. And I think, you know, it can help you to, like we've already said, value it. Really? I want to really lean into, uh, what I'm doing now, and it doesn't matter. I mean, every stage of your life, God can use you an extraordinary way. I was thinking about my father, who is now with Jesus. He was in his eighties, and he felt like God told him to go to the retirement homes and asked the people working there, who is it that never has anyone visit them, you know, in the retirement home? And so then he would go to those people and he would talk with them and he would pray with them. And, you know, I don't know all the things that he did, but it was amazing. I mean, he had this amazing Holy Spirit vision for his life, how God could use him in these sweet people that were all alone in these retirement homes. And I think God has that for us until it's time for us to leave, you know, leave the earth. And so, yes, we can look back at, you know, if I only could have been put in the game, we would have won state, you know, stupid stuff like that. But God has things for us to do until it's time for us to leave. And then this is just a speck of dust compared to what lies ahead. So I think it's giving the past the kind of credit it deserves, if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, that's a very good way of putting that. And just to segue on what you were saying, I think a part of how we avoid falling into the lament of the good old days is by continuing to take the Holy Spirit inspired risks God has for us today. Yeah, today, because he's continuing to speak and he continues to have a radical, obedient version of life for you right now. And it's maybe an odd segue, but I talked last week about the whole we talked about the gambling thing, and one of the things I said was have the kind of life that leaves no margin for gambling. Have the kind of adventure, the kind of struggle in the right sense of the word, challenge in the right sense of the word. I would say, similarly, have the kind of life that leaves no margin for wallowing in the past where you just don't have time. Like maybe you put on Angels and Airwaves and you're in the car and you're like, oh, you're thinking about being on tour in Russia or something? Yeah, yeah, whatever. And you go, okay. You know, it's funny because my very first ever tour with No Longer Music, we went to Kyrgyzstan, which looked that up. That's like Central Asia, and this kind of dates me a little bit, but we were I was loading up my iPod for the tour. I was in the Burnsville missionary house. Shout out B Burnsville! And it was great being with you guys. Yeah, yeah. So Burnsville Missionary House, I'm loading up my iPod, putting all my favorite albums on there. I get on the plane, I plop on my headphones. There's one album on my iPod. For some reason, there was some glitch. Oh, no. And so for six straight weeks, an entire tour, I just listened to the very first Angels and Airwaves album over and over again. Missile. Over and over and over. In a weird way, it became quite soothing. Yeah, because it just kind of became like, you know, I just put my headphones in and kind of go into my happy place and kind of rest mentally. And I just listened to this super nostalgic album. So when I listen to that, I just imagine I'm rolling through the the hills and the mountains. I have the same thing. When I was working on a ship and I had I just had one cassette to listen to. It was tea for the Tillerman or something. Cat Stevens and and I listened to that all over and over, my Lady Divine, you know. And it's this, like, super melancholic, but kind of cool, you know what I mean? There is a Cat Stevens song that I would contend. And I don't even think we can play this, Leon. We can't play. He's probably gone already. We're doing a band practice today. But the Cat Stevens song. Um. It's not time to make a change. Okay. That song, if it doesn't make you instantly weep, you have no heart. In fact, I think if nostalgia could be sort of embodied by a piece of music, it would be that song. What's that called? Father and son. I don't know that. Okay. Yeah. That song, man, that that got me when I was twenty and I didn't even have kids. Now I'm just straight up weeping every time. Yeah. So I've been listening to Cat Stevens on that ship, the only music I had. But I totally understand what you're saying. You know how that is, Ben. You play a song and you go, I was. That was when I was in high school. That's when I was. I met Jody. You like? I have music that was playing when I met Jody. Your mother. Jody. It's kind of like when I hear the outlawed tunes on the bagpipes. It brings me back to the Highlands. But anyway, I had something to say here, I think, before I interrupted myself. God has a life of risk that if we would embrace it and continue to take steps, I think it would give us a kind of life where we would have no margin for wallowing in the memories of the past. We could enjoy those moments. We could sit around with friends and talk about the great old days I remember. Sorry, I keep telling stories here, but I remember a while back coming home to New Zealand and we were at our house in New Zealand. It was a couple of years after high school had graduated from high school, and we were on the third level of our house overlooking the ocean. Yes. Boo hoo! Sorry. Sad. Us overlooking the beautiful ocean in New Zealand. I had like five of my high school buddies on that top deck, and to this day, I still remember how sweet it was. It was just this really soul enriching couple of hours of us just laughing and telling stories and thinking about all the funny, crazy shenanigans that we got up to. And to me, it was just that's kind of this perfect picture of what nostalgia is, right? It's not that any of us actually wanted to go back, put the knee grey, knee high socks, the go back to turd form at Paraparaumu College. What Ben is saying that you wear school uniforms is what he's referring to. Yeah, yeah, we wore school uniforms. I went to this school in New Zealand and none of us actually wanted to go back there. But it was a beautiful thing to be able to do. And so that is part of life. That is part of what makes life rich. But then take and then move on, you know, move on already. Well, and moving on doesn't look like just ignoring that it happened. Moving on. Looks like taking on the next great challenge that God has for you, opening your eyes to the ministry opportunities around you and fully devoting yourself. And don't believe that you don't have those because you do. I like the example I gave of my dad. It shows that there is always a great challenge for you that's amazing and significant. And so that's what God has that for us. And that's why I feel so bad for people. I can't imagine if you don't know God and you don't, so you don't have that right. And then you're looking back in. The highlight of my life was when I was in high school. Are you serious? High school. Oh, that was definitely not my highlight. Yeah, mine either, but I don't even remember going to high school. But I'm sure I did. Weren't you a chimney sweep? Huh? I don't think that's Luke, but. But I just think it's got to be terrible. When you have no understanding of God. Then it would be quite tragic. Then you'd go. Yeah, you know what? That's it. I had that opportunity and you're going, oh, I wish I would have done this or that. Then what do you do? That's why. Yeah, I'm telling you, when you know Jesus, you can remember what happened in the past and you can go, that was great. That wasn't so great. But that is not the end. That's not what defines me. No, that segues perfectly, because I think the way I was going to end is to say it's okay to feel the emotions of the past, to lament loss, but have it produce gratitude in a ruthless presence in the moment. And it should propel you to take the Holy Spirit inspired risks that God has for you right now. But then I think also sort of encasing all of that is just a profound gratitude for a worldview that says, this isn't all there is. There is hope beyond this. And so even as we lament loss, even as we're grateful for the present, even as we go through difficulties and try and fail and take risks and succeed and all that, in the midst of all of that, we can still say, this isn't the end. There is an even greater consummation of joy and hope beyond this life. And that is just sort of the ultimate source of resilience that, like you said, in the absence of I simply don't know how people function. That's right, that's right. You know, like those guys from the office. And if they're saying that was it, I mean, that was the pinnacle for us. I mean, there's a documentary called The Greatest Night in Pop, and it's when they made We Are the World. And so it has like all the guys that were, like, enormous. Yeah, but it was so hokey and dumb. You thought so because, see, it was hokey and dumb for you because you didn't relate. You didn't see. It brought me back to Amsterdam when we first moved to Amsterdam. Sure. Fair enough, fair enough. I can see playing all that music in the clubs. That's when Michael Jackson was at thriller and at the top. And like, all those guys were like. Like, even though you don't understand Bruce Springsteen, nobody does. I know he can't sing. It's just weird. But, uh, but when I watched it, it was very, like, interesting for me, but but that's because I was there during that era. But if you weren't, it just would seem like you said, kind of hokey, but I don't know even know why I'm bringing it up. But if you're if you're familiar with the eighties, I recommend, um, watching that documentary. That's all I have to say about. Wow. Well, look, we ended just when you thought there was nothing of value to glean from this meandering cacophony of random sounds, bits and globs. It turns out there was something useful. A little a little takeaway for the bag. That's right. So you can use that. Yeah. And perhaps it will define the good old days that you are currently in. Oh, yes. Now let us dance. Is that it? Are we done? I think we should be, if we aren't. Okay. Fair enough. Peace.

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